On Spiritual Surrender

Hi Robert:

. . .I will now make a brief attempt to answer your original questions which you asked earlier. You had asked, in your original letter:

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"To all and any who have surrendered themselves to holy spirit. Who follow the way of the soul and not the flesh...? How? Does spirit talk to you, is it a voice you hear, is it an intuition? How do you know what's right and what's spirit? Do you meditate and this is how the "angels" speak to you ?"
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Robert, I will answer only briefly, as this is NOT a list group about surrender to Holy Spirit [ed. note: please remember that the original reply was sent to one of my ormus list groups.], but briefly:

First, to my best knowledge, I am the only person on this list group who has said publicly (I have even said it when speaking to audiences comprising largely scientists and engineers; that is always great fun!) that they have surrendered their life to Holy Spirit/Source/Supreme Heart. Do not assume that this is true for other members of the list group unless they state that this is true for themselves.

Next, you wrote "Who follow the way of the soul and not the flesh...?" This statement is largely meaningless to me, and, if you are trying to say that this description applies to me, well, this is not accurate. I have never stated that I follow the way of the soul (although I like my soul just fine and it is a nice soul and lovable soul as souls go), but rather I have stated many times that I surrender my life to Holy Spirit/Supreme Heart, to prajna paramita. It is about going to the Heart and surrendering to Supreme Heart.

And, I am not a dualist; I see no dichotomy between Holy Spirit and flesh; the latter was and is created by the former, and thus cannot be separate and cannot be "bad" and thus cannot be disowned and thus cannot be an enemy of the path of surrender to Holy Spirit/Supreme Heart/prajna paramita. When we reside in and take refuge in prajna paramita, there is no distinction between spirit and flesh, between emptiness and form, and all is Holy Spirit and Supreme Heart, all is simply perfect dance within prajna paramita, and likewise, there is no separation and no lack of separation and there is no conflict or extinction of conflict.

Next, you wrote:

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"Does spirit talk to you, is it a voice you hear, is it an intuition?
How do you know what's right and what's spirit? Do you meditate and
this is how the "angels" speak to you ?"
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You have put the cart before the horse. The first and only necessary step is to go the Heart and consciously surrender to Holy Spirit/Supreme Heart, to prajna paramita. Then, when this sincere surrender has permeated to the deeper levels of our beingness, and has started to silence the noise of the local mind to even a small extent, we may then start to receive guidance from Holy Spirit/Supreme Heart, from prajna paramita.

However, to try to quantity or qualify this guidance or its channels/source is largely insane, and to try to do such will INSTANTLY and IMMEDIATELY bring us back into the painful throes of the "local mind", aka the ego, which is always trying to struggle, to make effort, to control, to figure things out, to complain, to compare, to attach importance, to draw distinctions, to find "the secret", and to find "answers".

Rather, all I can say to you is that once we are in surrender to Holy Spirit/Supreme Heart, to prajna paramita, then guidance can and will come from everywhere at any time; it may come as an inner voice, as an inner knowing in the heart or belly, it may come as a download of a hundred thousand pages-equivalent of information (i.e., perhaps in the sciences) in one-tenth of a second, it may come from angels or guides, it may come in the accidental words of a friend or a casual caller or a chance comment made seeming randomly by a beggar on a street corner as we pass within earshot, or it may come from cuddling a kitten or in frolicking with a prostitute, because there is no separation between Holy Spirit and the physical world, and rather, all in the physical world is in perfection and serves Holy Spirit/Supreme Heart and prajna paramita; there is no other way.

In closing, allow me to attempt to highlight what I have written above by citing some lines from the Heart Sutra, as follows:

(When in surrender to prajna paramita...)
There are no eyes, no ears, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind;
no color, no sound, no smell, no taste, no touch,
no object of mind;
and also no extinction of them,
and so forth until no realm of mind consciousness.

No ignorance and also no extinction of it,
and so forth until no old age and death
and also no extinction of them.

No suffering, no origination,
no stopping, no path, no cognition,
also no attainment with nothing to attain.

And, in closing, I will not discuss the matter of surrender to Holy Spirit/Supreme Heart and prajna paramita on this list group any further at this time, as it could draw the content too far off-topic.
[ed. note: please remember that the original reply was sent to one of my ormus list groups.]

with care,
--Vinny

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